well, you know, this and that and blah, blah.

It was going horrible.

And I think for me what's really important personally and then also as I entered a public eye and I think as a business owner you probably feel this way, is people aren't dumb.

People know when they're being spun.

And so I pushed my colleague out of the way and I went up in front of the mic and I said, I don't know.

I don't know, the question they were asking, I don't have the answer.

And you could immediately feel the tension in the room come down.

And I'm sure about a year into the COVID pandemic, it became second nature for you to start taking some of this fire, start being able to answer with rebuttals, and really ease into conversations a little bit better using what you all have learned through medicine and what you've experienced within the hospital, and then being able to articulate that to the public.