But even though you were a little bit, uh, I don't know, philosophical about it, it seems like you still definitely wanted it.

Yeah, I...

Until-- So the, the thing that, the kind of the trigger for sociology in particular was when, so when I was 16, I did a trip to Nicaragua, so I was there for a month, um, just to do like a, uh, international exchange.

And there I had a completely different experience of what it, you know, what I had taken for granted the whole time.

Um, I saw a lot of poverty, uh, and I saw just a very different set of living conditions, a very different set of kind of daily concerns that had never been on my radar before then.

Um, I had a fairly privileged upbringing, and looking at that, it, it kind of shocked me a bit.

And so I came back and I, I remember typing into Wikipedia like difference between socialism and communism, just as something that had never been on my radar before.

Can you draw the line between those two things? They, they seem a bit separate to me on first glance.