... with us today?

Yeah, absolutely.

And the first thing that I'll say, Anna, which I know is something we mentioned just before we, we hit record on this podcast, was how even as someone that's not actively involved in the industry right now, which obviously makes it easier for me to speak about these things, I still feel very on edge to open up about these things and because people do get very defensive, and I think that's the first thing I'd want to say before I say anything, is that I do believe, not just the racing industry, but all industries have room for improvement.

And so when I wrote that post, it was the day of the, around the Grand National, and so I focused on that part.

But I have seen similar issues in, in other industries.

But what I will say for them all is that I do believe on the greater part, the heart's in the right place, and the people that are making the mistakes, if you like, if that's the right word, that I've seen, are not necessarily doing it through neglect in a conscious way.

And so that's why I think education needs to be at the absolute front of this because...

... about what's going on out in the field.