engineer and IP lawyer and now more of a litigator which you know I finally appreciate that he like chose to litigate some cases Alejandro welcome thank you thank you for meeting us here in you know Washington we could have done this in San Diego but why not do it in Washington tell us a little bit about yourself how we know each other and you know former roommate as well

Alejandro welcome Thank you.

Thank you, guys.

And well, first of all, thank you for inviting me.

I'm really excited and especially doing this in Washington, D.C.

I believe that it's really meaningful and just having a wider impact.

And what's better than doing it at the Hispanic National Bar Association? So, as David mentioned, we're cousins.

And just tell us a little bit about the fact that, you know, for being a patent attorney, why is a engineering or like a science background necessary for that?