When you walk that piece of land for the first time, do, what do you see that the rest of us don't? Or could you remember riding it when, you know, last time and thought, "Oh, that works well," or is, was it just a complete blank canvas? 'Cause it just blows my brain that you [chuckles] managed to put so much into, into the parklands.

Um, yeah, I think that, I think, um, you're, you're kind.

Thank you.

I think that, um, i- it was a blank canvas.

I mean, I didn't have any preconceptions of where things had been before.

I vaguely remembered where the, there w- had been an arena.

I vaguely remembered where the water jumps had been, 'cause it was the first water jump I ever fell off in.

[laughs]

Yeah.

And, and then you discuss it, and you amend, alter, or completely change.

I mean, it's, you know...

But you're absolutely right.

With the, the...

Having the, the team that manage the racecourse, and, and I know that it sounds like we're going on about it a bit, but it's, but it's because...

But it's absolutely real because we know how important things like the ground and the going and those aspects are to any event.

I think 'cause sometimes those things are things that actually us mere mortals who just look at the course don't always a- actually really appreciate.

And I kind of wanted to start a little broad with, like, what is the big deal about the Olympics? Like, what does the Olympics mean to you? Why is it such an important thing? And we'll just let you roll with that.

Okay.

I mean, I'm a sportaholic.

I'm an Olympophile, if you like.

I always wanted to be a gold medalist.

I always wanted to ride, compete, or maybe play another sport at the Olympic Games, but that never manifested itself.

And I think it's the Olympic gold medal is whatever sport you are, Wherever you are in the world, if you can say, I won an Olympic gold medal, you can not know anything about sport.

What do you see when you're kind of watching kind of the lower levels of the sport?