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I grew within Kingfisher.

So, um, I think, um, again, what I had learned previously on, on thinking more about the broader elements of a brand, et cetera, when I was working as an industrial designer, um, and there is when I learned really what it is to design something and have a big impact, right? Because we were talking about millions of, of products, and I would question the brief and be like, "Oh, what, uh, I, I would like to change this brief [chuckles] or write this brief."

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Um, and, um, I think a skill I would say ha- that it's not, that comes naturally as a mom, but you need to learn as a mom and as a, um, career-driven person, um, is that, um, you need to know how to...

Something I've learned recently, which has been incredibly helpful to me, is that, you know, these things could lead to burnout very quickly.