So tell us, tell us, when did you start writing books? Did you start doing this alongside of your, while you're still driving or not driving, but still working in the trucking industry and you still are kind of from an overview side, but when did you kind of start your writing, the writing career?

Well, it actually started with doing, I became a salesman for the company.

And back then, there was no internet, no email.

And you physically wrote a letter of introduction and what you could do for them.

And then later on, you'd call to follow it up.

But when it first started, before the letters went out, my father had to edit them.

And that kind of irked me that he was editing my letter, changing this and changing that.

No.