Yeah

... you're gonna, you have to, you know, you have to learn, you know, you have to, you know, you're not gonna-- I'm not gonna go soft on you.

And who the fuck do you think you are? That was just like to sh- to, to just keep me humble, you know, keep me humble.

And, uh, just, you know, through all the tears and the snot, you know, I would just like pick myself up, go into the... [chuckles] I might be sitting on the toilet, go into the main space and just start a ceremony.

I'd, I'd be doing, you know, cere- I'd be offering full ceremonies, you know, for hours as though there was a room full of people and it was just me.

Um, and that would be a lot, a lot of the training that I did was actually on, on my own.

And then I st- I started moving outside that circle of friends that I, I mentioned and, and sort of reaching out to other people.

Well, thanks for your time.