And I think that the automation sits in that middle role as well because that's how you have less people in those roles because of the increased automation so yeah

yeah I'll go I'll be very very much aligned with that school of thinking because and I love what you say in terms of just the pivot I think that's the biggest change a lot of people I speak to are worried about you know job losses and with AI coming in and even historically when I was in the bank that was a big concern you know so I'm What's going to happen to our roles? Is AI going to take over? But I think the important part is that people have to learn how to pivot and shift into different roles.

Now, talking about the structure that you mentioned, in my mind, I think historically what we've done, we've probably promoted people with technical skills into leadership roles, right? Yeah.

Now, I think if AI comes in, there's going to be less of people being promoted because of technical skills.

It'll now be people getting promoted because of their leadership skills.

Because are you able to lead technical skills? That can be done by someone else or the team is going to be pretty good at the technical stuff.

We want to know how else can you drive results through others? How can you motivate a team to be able to give you the results? How can you hold them accountable? How can you deliver performance? And I think that's where someone's going to be able to shine.

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