So what does that mean, if you have reasonable doubt, and yet you won't vote to acquit?

Well, that's the question that becomes sort of a...

It's a naughty, K-N-O-T-T-Y, naughty legal issue that you've got to unwind.

Every juror is absolutely entitled to his or her personal verdict.

Both sides, both parties are entitled to that individual verdict.

They have to deliberate.

The judge says you can't walk in there and fold your arms and sit in a corner and do nothing and not talk.

Can you tell me about, he was driving on a highway at a high rate of speed that is known, is it known for people driving at a high rate of speed? Can you explain this to me? Like I am a brand new drawer and I was just selected and I don't understand what's happening.

Uh, what happens now? Do you think they will retry, uh, Lindsay Clancy?

I think so.

Yeah, it did feel a little bit like deja vu.

It was very, very odd, um, the circumstances.

I thought ...

Well, let me, let me say first that I thought that Kevin Reddington pulling that rabbit out of a hat, um, and asking for a 211.3 conference with the SJC, the single justice, uh, with an emergency stay, uh, concomitant to it, was a, a b- point of brilliance.

It was just legal brilliance.

Psychosis

Why do the prosecutors suck so bad in the state of Massachusetts? Can you break

it down for me? It is a long and storied problem that they've had in Massachusetts, or at least in the counties that I've dealt with.

the the county that i dealt with specifically uh norfolk county they just got a new d.a uh yesterday um so tuesday was the election and um adam deitch did not win a woman by the name of juna perkins won the election so michael morrissey is out and juna has promised to that point matt june has promised that she's going to do things differently that it's not going to be this old boys network it's not going to be you know who you know it's it's going to be how you how you prosecute cases where the evidence leads you as opposed to covering for the police covering them for the massachusetts state police covering for each other which has been sort of the calling card a lot of the da's offices around there they're just they're they're so insular and so invested in their own politics their own gamesmanship that they can't get out of their own way so you find example after example after example of uh people in authority for instance not being prosecuted giving a being given a pass uh and the the the average citizen who's not part of the The infrastructure, the political infrastructure, the law enforcement infrastructure, the DA infrastructure, the prosecutorial infrastructure, those kind of people, they don't get the pass.

They don't get the fair shot.

So it's been a broken system, Matt, for a long, long time.

And my hope is, as of yesterday, Ms. Perkins brings a whole new breath of fresh air to at least one very important county.

Is there any other way to read what happened?

No, I think that's exactly right.

So now reducing them to misdemeanors, you think this is no harm, no foul, that that concern has been erased, Alan?

Not at all.

Not at all.

I think it's an important story because it's a story of...

At the end of the day, it's a story of courage.

Uh, Daniel showing the courage to go after, to root out evil, to root out bigotry, and bias, and misogyny, and homophobia within the walls and the halls of LAPD, and then getting prosecuted and persecuted himself for doing exactly that.

Um, no, the, the message is an awful message.

Was it some type of, like, medical thing, "I'm having anxiety now that people know I'm a racist," or you know?

Well, I've gotta be careful because the judge impounded the, the, the further filing that Proctor and his lawyer did, so I don't wanna, I don't wanna offend that.

Um, the...

Whatever it was, um, which I can't go into, was not sufficient.

It was insufficient to, to convince the judge that he was entitled, uh, to put off the deposition at the 11th hour.

I had flown all the way from...

Me and my team had flown all the way from Los Angeles for one reason, uh, to do this deposition.

What's going on with that?

From a legal standpoint, what do you precisely want to see happen here that has not already happened?

Well, the, it's, it's a civil case.

Uh, so the remedy is, is, uh, it, it, the law speaks in dollars.

But that's not what the ultimate goal is here.

The ultimate goal is to ensure that we bring to the light, uh, the institutional biases, the institutional corruption that permeates, uh, the Massachusetts law enforcement, uh, system.

That's what this lawsuit's gonna do ultimately.

There's not...

Okay

W- why is it, why has there only been one deposition in, in all these months?

Well, look, if you're gonna prosecute a case, it's sort of on your own, uh, of, it's of your own making, and there's...

It, it is a, a...

Civil cases are very different, I will say, Howie, than, than criminal cases.

They do take longer.

So, uh, just in general, painting with the broadest brush strokes, it's not like a criminal case that has the same kind of time clock clicking.

So it's not unusual for it to take some time, but I, I will say, and, and I think the, the judge is right, uh, th- there needs to be some cooperation and better communication coming from the other side, um, based on the, the, the scheduling of, of these depositions.

How, how is, how is Karen doing personally?

I mean like that's where you start is just with that love of Jesus that should feel hopefully almost contagious in the workplace, right?

Absolutely.

I'm not suggesting that you be the dominant influence in the workplace.

I'm suggesting that the primary identifier of our person is our faith.

Before I identify as a Tennessean or a pastor, I'm a person with a living and vital and vibrant faith, and I want people that know me to know that.

And if I hide my faith, I'm not just being quiet, I'm being deceptive because the most important part of my life is not on the table.

I'm married and when I leave the house in the morning, if I had the imagination, well, I'm not really married once I leave the house.

It's almost that it almost makes me wonder if it invokes that one scripture that says, you know, never deny God.

would he represent Harvey Weinstein? Why would you do anything with that man?

Or Spacey, if they feel...

Kevin Spacey, if they feel that way.

Every single person, every citizen in this country is entitled before they are committed, right? Before they are committed to a prison cell, before they're committed to a conviction, before they're committed to a trial.

Every single citizen has the exact same series of constitutional rights and they are embedded in the fabric of our society.

It doesn't matter who you are.

It doesn't matter what you're accused of.

Yeah.