Who are the people in your opinion that are doing it that we can follow?

Great question.

I'll come back to the person and the people to follow, but I think starting with that fundamental of like why people get left out.

And I think a key phrase you'll often hear in this space and other spaces is what matters gets measured.

That question in itself is like a good one to challenge systems with of are you measuring how people with disabilities are interacting with whatever you're developing.

Are you measuring like how many people with disabilities are at your company? Are you measuring how many people with disabilities are in your community? But when I was at General Motors, we had that problem of like just going through a lot of the stories from employees and through the employee resource group as our hub of advocacy.

We learned just like over 30 years of history at General Motors, accessibility had been Tried and tried again in different ways.

Is there anything else you can share? And then also I want to kind of hear really about what is the core of what you're doing? I know you touched on it a minute ago, but how are you helping organizations every day?