Elena, does that resonate with you, that kind of experience of the untinned garden, the locked door, the unlocked door? Did you have any of those experiences? experience as you were working?

Yeah, I'm going to switch to another similar metaphor that's building on yours.

But I've recently done some studies on Charles Dickens, who wrote the book like he was alive at the same time as the Secret Garden author.

And in this one clip from David Copperfield, somebody that knows David Copperfield is talking about David's mind.

And he's saying, still it is a rich soil teeming with latent vegetation.

And so like there is something there that's like covered up or kind of secret.

I think that it can be a little, I think finding the keys can be very daunting and very difficult sometimes.

Elena, I would love for you to speak to some of your own struggles like trying to uncover or when you and your husband perhaps realized or began to investigate, like, oh, what is it that kind of clued you in, so to speak, of there may be an issue here that we need to address?