So we're gonna jump him" And we hit some balls on the nose that were outs, but it made me feel somewhat confident that eventually it'll work out, and it did.

Yeah, 100%.

And when you get, when you get a great pitcher like that, and a- as you pointed out, how good he's been in the second half, you can't let him get ahead of you because if he gets ahead of you, your at bat's pretty much over.

I mean, that's just the way it goes.

Once a guy like that gets ahead...

Same thing with Gavin Williams with Cleveland and, and Parker Messick to, to a degree.

If those guys get ahead of you in the count, you have almost no chance because there's several different pitches they can go to.

So when it comes to experience, do you think it'll be beneficial to us in this seven-gamer against the Rays?

Why are they so good at developing pitchers?

They've got just a great group of guys, Darrell, that really understands the message and And what's going on, I mean, from the very top, you know, Carl Willis at the top of the food chain, pitching coach-wise at the major league level, all the way down to the guys in low A and rookie league.

They've got the same message.

They've been doing it for years.

And the other thing that I like is, you know, and I've talked to some of the guys and, you know, I've talked to Carl over the years.

One of the things that they do better than anybody, and there's lip service paid to this, but actually accomplishing it is another story.

They don't necessarily try to make you somebody that you're not or somebody else than what brought you to the professional level.

How difficult is it to make a trade where everybody's kind of still in it with the extra playoff spot?

What do we expect from Engel? And honestly, how should we temper our expectations for the youth that has been in this lineup this year?

That's some great questions.

And, you know, it is unfortunate those three guys went down.

And, you know, I've been talking the last couple of weeks or so, ever since it happened, I've never seen that before where hitters one, two, and three, literally in the batting order, all get hurt in the same game, and then they all have to go on the injured list.

So that's, you know, that's a heck of a... and put an organization in.

Even the Dodgers would struggle if one, two, and three went down, like Otani, Freeman, and whoever else happened at third that day.

I don't know, Will Smith.

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Why are they so good at developing pitchers?

They've got, you know, just a great group of guys, Darrell.

I mean, that really understands the message and what's going on.

I mean, from the very top, you know, Carl Willis at the top of the food chain, pitching coach-wise at the major league level, all the way down to the guys in low A and rookie league.

They've got the same message.

They've been doing it for years.

And the other thing that I like is, you know, and I've talked to some of the guys, and, you know, I've talked to Carl over the years, One of the things that they do better than anybody, and there's lip service paid to this, but actually accomplishing it is another story.

How difficult is it to make a trade where everybody's still in it with the extra playoff spot?