Mm-hmm

...

though.

Um, but, uh, what I would do, I'd listen a lot.

Also, I'd prep.

I'd really prep.

And so when we did the hearings, I mean, when you're talking about the Gorsuch hearing or something, I would, uh, prep the way you do for that.

Well, I, I was just asking to clarify, then, what-

Mm-hmm.

... him and Nealon, and Jan and Victoria, where it was just George is c- uh, Nealon's boss.

And the two couples are going out to dinner, and Nealon offers to pick up the check.

And George says, "No, come on, I'm your boss." Says that, "No, no, no, you always picked it up.

I ain't gonna pick it up." And again, "No, I'm your boss, I'm taking the check." And, "Uh, uh, no," "I'm taking the check." And he, and then he takes it and goes, "Well, that was pretty easy."

Mm-hmm.

A very thoughtful, uh, c- you know, conservative in the best sense Republican.

And I'm obviously a very progressive Democrat.

(laughs)

So my dad was a big Buddy Hackett fan, and so was I.

And, uh, a big comedy fan and a big fan of politics as a spectator sport.

And, uh, he was a Republican until 1964.

And what, uh, happened there was, uh, Barry Goldwater was their nominee, and he had voted against the, uh, '64 Civil Rights bill.

And we used to watch the news while we ate dinner.

And, uh, I remember in 1963 there was a demonstration down south and the cops were putting batons on people's heads and dog- siccing dogs on them and fire hoses.

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Murdered.

... an amazing person.

Uh, I campaigned around the state with her.

She was a great speaker.

She got an incredible amount done.

She was a no-nonsense speaker, but also just a person with incredible heart and humor, and couldn't talk about a be- better person than Melissa Portman.

And it is an absolute tragedy that she and her husband and the Hoffmans...

And, and just how you've res- reacted to this and, and just, you know, how politics has shifted and, and what your take on this is.

Yeah. Um, I also wonder, I mean, I don't know what you think about this, but obviously Joe Biden, like, we paid a, a price for having the bully pulpit, um, basically empty. But I also wonder too that a lot of the Democrats who might become presidential candidates are people that sat out and didn't challenge Joe Biden during that time because they thought it was too risky, that they kind of didn't wanna pick that fight. And I wonder if you think Democrats pay a price now for having been a part of... Look, I think everybody was making the best choice they could, given that Joe Biden was still in the race and nobody had challenged him. But collectively, the country saw leading Democrats all get behind someone that with i- with their own eyes they thought wasn't up to it.

I don't think that they knew that he wasn't up to it. I don't think they saw that until they saw it th- at, at that debate. I, I really thought... I, I remember talking to someone who is a very highly thought of, uh, Democratic, uh, s- s- someone who advises candidates and is very good at this, saying that they couldn't wait till that debate where Biden would show (laughs)-

(laughs)

And I just knew it was gonna be a big hit 'cause of the, uh, uh... Our generation had never had a chance to be on, on TV. And so, this was... And we had, you know, we had Belushi, we had Aykroyd, we had Gilda, we had Jane and Lorraine, we had Chevy, we had Garrett. That was it. And we had seven cast members. If you think about it now, think about how many cast members. Do you watch the show now?

(sighs) Yeah.

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