Looking ahead, what, what gives you hope, most hope for the future of conservation and environmental stewardship in Kenya? Do you feel like everything that you've put into place, uh, Just Act Big, yeah, all these, um, advocacy campaigns, you know, the youth coming out, you know, climate activism, do you f- are you positive about the future?

I, I would say I'm positive, not just for the future of conservation, but the future of Kenya itself.

Um, and what gives me courage is seeing people beginning to, to stand up.

They're getting educated.

They're talking about the issues.

They're trying to get involved in the issues, and they're trying to find solutions and change things.

I see that happening.

Uh, can you give us a little backstory before, uh, mentioning about the petition and calling, uh, all our listeners to, to sign up and, and get that going?