And Akello, how does that resonate with your experience teaching in community colleges and just a little bit about your background of becoming an educator?

I had thought about my whole trajectory going, being a first generation college student in my family, starting out at a community college and then dropping down to halftime in the second semester because I was working and then dropping out for an entire year And just saying, you know, college was not for me.

I was not supported in college.

And then somehow, through some miracle, I ended back up in a four-year public institution, completed my master's, and then moved to the South, Atlanta, and then completed a master's degree at another public institution.

I felt more comfortable in a public institution.

When I was an undergrad, I worked for programs that were working with Detroit high school students, Flint high school students, to increase the number of traditionally underrepresented students in higher education.

And I worked for Talent Search and Upward Bound and those type of programs.

I mean, Akello, do you see a different level in student loan debt with your students? I mean, I guess they'd have to tell you personally, maybe you don't get a sense of their debt burden over time if that's increased.