Legal action, but then also probably death threats.

Oh, yeah.

I've had it all, man.

I've been spit on, attacked.

Yeah, faced up to 10 years in federal prison for just exposing evil stuff.

And if you are successful at exposing them, what is it? Ephesians...

Sick for says, you know have no part of the unfruitful words of darkness, but rather expose them I will tell you man if you are effective at that They will come at you and people people always say What do you like? I remember Trump jr.

That would be in line to me with a very rational, reasonable approach to getting us closer to victory.

What do you think?

Yeah.

Well, I love this question because I always, I always say there's a biblical middle ground, and then there's ditches on either side of the road.

Um, so on one side of the, the ditch is this kind of social gospel or liberation theology where it says, essentially, clean up society, you know, put a Band-Aid on everything, make people really moral, and that's the call of Christians, right? Is, is this liber- Christianity is just this liberating force that just is a social kind of cleansing apparatus, where we clean everybody's up, up their lives and give this Christ-less redemption.

On the other side of the ditch is something you and I grew up in Calvary Chapel, and the, uh, the Harvest Crusade and the whole thing whi- which tends...

I love, love the movement, but I think what I heard growing up was like, "We don't get involved in the politics.

We just preach the gospel." Um, so it's like as if the gospel didn't have to do with, uh, loving your neighbor.

Mm-hmm.

Why do you think that is?

Well, o- obviously, we, um, have been very much...

I mean, it's, it's not a surprise.

It's not even, uh, uh...

It's not even debatable that we're connected to this by proxy.

Uh, you know, a lot of this has to do with, uh, ripple effects from our foreign policy in the Middle East, in Iran, and in...

I mean, right after...

... we have this disproportionate, uh, you know, outrage right now? It should be fairly equal, or do we just not even have it as humans? What do you think?