And I know that your property business is... very much a part of that so how do you balance the demanding nature of property investments it's not always easy no with your values of conservation sustainability and all of that stuff

So I think for our side, we didn't want to lose sight of the reason why we were doing this.

Obviously, we're doing it for our son.

We're doing it for our family.

We're doing it for ourselves so that, you know, we can provide sort of a more solid foundation.

income for ourselves and foundation and I guess that generational wealth as well.

But the other reason why we're doing what we're doing is, and I touched on this earlier, was that so that we had the ability of philanthropically being able to go back and having the capacity to give back and have larger impact.

How did you find your footing again? What helped you with that? And what support was out there for you to actually do that? I