Mm-hmm.

Uh, it was tough.

I think [sighs] because whatever I did in my life, I always had this feeling that I can, that I can manage, that I can get it to where it needs to go.

And, uh, whether it was sports, relationships of any kind or, or work, I always did.

But at that point, the more I tried to think how to approach it, the more closed doors I encountered.

Even when I, when I started searching and Googling or even talking to people, even talking to friends and families, I started realizing there just seems absolutely nothing I can do.

It's as simple as that.

Right.