um so quite a fascinating story and some from i've seen you on other podcasts and you know i know a fair bit about you anyway for those listeners that don't just tell us a little bit about yourself and your background where where sort of life began before property

Left school and was a Britlayer straight away, straight out of school, straight into an apprenticeship at Britlaying.

So it was sort of property related, but not property development.

Started on small extensions and stuff like that and then went into timber frame construction and ended up being a crane driver.

Right.

Which was an absolute amazing career for my age.

I was like 19 driving a crane on big sites like travel lodges and stuff.

then what did that what was the remainder of the building then