okay so before we go let's leave the audience with another one what's another what's one of the ones that made you a believer you know what i'm saying

well oh boy that's that's opening up that's starting out a subject i think it's gonna take us another three hours it's uh let me see i didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick um well the what basically um uh i don't know which one to pick but here's here's one here's one two so uh in my in my seeking so to say to use that word um when i turned 15 i basically just wanted to be you know figuring out like what is all this about and so i realized that there's other people have written books about this and are talking about it.

So I was looking for information, and basically just kind of got off, you know, got out of this UFO closet.

And so my most important part was this, I always wanted to have these physical experiences.

most people always you know they they they say i want this physical experience what is what is it like and so in my in my searching um i inadvertently you know came to have several different physical experiences but they were not what i thought they were going to be it changed my mind about what what it is that we're actually dealing with and then ultimately who am i Because a lot of times we associate, you know, contact or any kind of interaction with people like we do here on earth where we just go and say hi, you know, reach out, you shake their hand, you introduce yourself, you kind of start a friendship.

Well, it was not like that whatsoever.

It was what I found to be very – what I expected that if and when a contact ever happened to me was that, oh, I'm just going to be – seeing the ship landing and they'll land and then you know we'll we'll share you know whatever yeah kind of like that um it was the opposite it had more to do with spirituality and who i am and my relation to them and who humanity is and the relation to the general cosmos and so that in itself is a very um what you would call it um very, very long story.

happens right because

okay so before we go let's leave the audience with another one what's another what's one of the ones that made you a believer you know what i'm saying

well oh boy that's that's opening up that's starting out a subject i think it's gonna take us another three hours it's uh let me see i didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick um well the what basically um uh i don't know which one to pick but here's here's one here's one two so uh in my in my seeking so to say to use that word um when i turned 15 i basically just wanted to be you know figuring out like what is all this about and so i realized that there's other people have written books about this and are talking about it.

So I was looking for information, and basically just kind of got off, you know, got out of this UFO closet.

And so my most important part was this, I always wanted to have these physical experiences.

most people always you know they they they say i want this physical experience what is what is it like and so in my in my searching um i inadvertently you know came to have several different physical experiences but they were not what i thought they were going to be it changed my mind about what what it is that we're actually dealing with and then ultimately who am i Because a lot of times we associate, you know, contact or any kind of interaction with people like we do here on earth where we just go and say hi, you know, reach out, you shake their hand, you introduce yourself, you kind of start a friendship.

Well, it was not like that whatsoever.

It was what I found to be very – what I expected that if and when a contact ever happened to me was that, oh, I'm just going to be – seeing the ship landing and they'll land and then you know we'll we'll share you know whatever yeah kind of like that um it was the opposite it had more to do with spirituality and who i am and my relation to them and who humanity is and the relation to the general cosmos and so that in itself is a very um what you would call it um very, very long story.

happens right because

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Well, generally the people I interviewed were people that I kind of came across just synchronistically because of what I had set out was to find the truth or at least, you know, have someone who's willing to come out and just tell their experience.

And the...

A lot of times, especially when I first got into this, not necessarily recording interviews, but just the research, it wasn't anything cool about to be a contactee to talk about these different experiences.

I mean, look at Whitley Strieber.

um uh you know i i appreciate and i admire very much of what he has done for uh for the field of ufology but um i mean if you look at the the honesty that it came with and the things that he was describing and talking about the the basically anal rate you know and that's where all the different uh jokes then came about about aliens abducting you and putting stuff up your butt you know it's like and that was in my research that i could kind of you know, find and figure out that was kind of like your core story, where all these alien jokes came about.

I mean, who wants to go through that? You see what I mean? And so it's not a pleasant thing to tell a story as it happened, you know, and stick to it for as many years as he has.

What's another, what's one of the ones that made you a believer? You know what I'm saying?

What's another, what's one of the ones that made you a believer? You know what I'm saying?

Well, Oh, boy, that's that's opening up.

That's starting out a subject.

I think it's going to take us another three hours.

Let me see.

I didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick.

Well, the what basically uh i don't know which one to pick but here's here's one here's one two so uh in my in my seeking so to say to use that word um when i turned 15 i basically just wanted to be you know figuring out like what is all this about and so i realized that there's other people have written books about this and are talking about it.

happens

okay so before we go let's leave the audience with another one what's another what's one of the ones that made you a believer you know what i'm saying

well oh boy that's that's opening up that's starting out a subject i think it's gonna take us another three hours it's uh let me see i didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick um well the what basically um uh i don't know which one to pick but here's here's one here's one two so uh in my in my seeking so to say to use that word um when i turned 15 i basically just wanted to be you know figuring out like what is all this about and so i realized that there's other people have written books about this and are talking about it.

So I was looking for information, and basically just kind of got off, you know, got out of this UFO closet.

And so my most important part was this, I always wanted to have these physical experiences.

most people always you know they they they say i want this physical experience what is what is it like and so in my in my searching um i inadvertently you know came to have several different physical experiences but they were not what i thought they were going to be it changed my mind about what what it is that we're actually dealing with and then ultimately who am i Because a lot of times we associate, you know, contact or any kind of interaction with people like we do here on earth where we just go and say hi, you know, reach out, you shake their hand, you introduce yourself, you kind of start a friendship.

Well, it was not like that whatsoever.

It was what I found to be very – what I expected that if and when a contact ever happened to me was that, oh, I'm just going to be – seeing the ship landing and they'll land and then you know we'll we'll share you know whatever yeah kind of like that um it was the opposite it had more to do with spirituality and who i am and my relation to them and who humanity is and the relation to the general cosmos and so that in itself is a very um what you would call it um very, very long story.

happens right because

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And so what happened was one day I was coming home from a UFO meeting that was happening in St. Louis.

It was pretty late.

It was around 11 o'clock February winter time.

We had about a foot or two of snow.

And so I always parked the car that I had on top of the hill because once I went into the valley where my house was, it would be very difficult to get out.

And so what I basically did is I would come out, take off my city boots because I would always work in town and work in offices and then put on bigger boots to be able to walk down.

happens

okay so before we go let's leave the audience with another one what's another what's one of the ones that made you a believer you know what i'm saying

well oh boy that's that's opening up that's starting out a subject i think it's going to take us another three hours it's uh let me see i didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick um well the what basically um I don't know which one to pick, but here's one.

So in my seeking, so to say, to use that word, when I turned 15, I basically just wanted to be figuring out what is all this about.

And so I realized that there's other people that have written books about this.

are talking about it.

So I was looking for information and basically just kind of got off, you know, got out of this UFO closet.

And so my most important part was this, I always wanted to have these physical experiences.

happens right because

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Well, generally, the people I interviewed were people that I kind of came across just synchronistically because of what I had set out was to find the truth or at least, you know, have someone who's willing to come out and just tell their experience.

And the...

A lot of times, especially when I first got into this, not necessarily recording interviews, but just the research, it wasn't anything cool about to be a contactee to talk about these different experiences.

I mean, look at Whitley Strieber.

um uh you know i i appreciate and i admire very much of what he has done for uh for the field of ufology but um i mean if you look at the the honesty that it came with and the things that he was describing and talking about the the basically anal rate you know and that's where all the different uh jokes then came about about aliens abducting you and putting stuff up your butt you know it's like and that was in my research that i could kind of you know find and figure out that was kind of like your core story where all these alien jokes came about i mean who wants to go through that you see what i mean and so uh it's not a a pleasant thing to just tell a story as it as it happened you know and and and stick to it for as many years that he as he has So especially in the beginning, there weren't that many people that wanted to come forward because it wasn't a...

Celebrity type thing.

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What's another, what's one of the ones that made you a believer? You know what I'm saying?

Well, Oh, boy, that's that's opening up.

That's starting out a subject.

I think it's going to take us another three hours.

Let me see.

I didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick.

Well, the what basically I don't know which one to pick, but here's one.

happens right because

What's another, what's one of the ones that made you a believer? You know what I'm saying?

Well, Oh, boy, that's that's opening up.

That's starting out a subject.

I think it's going to take us another three hours.

Let me see.

I didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick.

Well, the what basically I don't know which one to pick, but here's one.

Okay.

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Well, I guess i'll give you a short version and then you can ask away, however much detail you would like, but.

This UFO hub came about because of a download received in 2011 and that was after many years of experiences and a whole bunch of.

things, an array of things happening.

And so after I've had that download, it was kind of, I guess, already done and finished concept that I basically just had to fulfill.

And so I saw the logo.

I mean, I've changed it now to has a little blue circle, but originally it was just, you know, just a UFO hub with with circle around it.

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And so what happened was...

One day I was coming home from a UFO meeting that was happening in St. Louis.

It was pretty late.

It was around 11 o'clock February winter time.

We had about a foot or two of snow.

And so I always parked the car that I had on top of the hill because once I went into the valley where my house was, it would be very difficult to get out.

what happens

What's another, what's one of the ones that made you a believer? You know what I'm saying?

Well, Oh, boy, that's that's opening up.

That's starting out a subject, I think it's gonna take us another three hours.

Let me see.

I didn't expect to have to shorten it all real quick.

Well, the what basically, um, I don't know which one to pick, but here's one.

So in my seeking, so to say, to use that word, when I turned 15, I basically just wanted to be figuring out what is all this about.

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