
Adel Bashqawi
Circassian writer and activist based in Jordan; retired airline pilot and author of books on Circassia, including "Circassia: Born to Be Free" and "The Circassian Miracle."
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Aug 22, 2026
Putin’s Mobilization Drive Sparks Circassian Backlash: An Interview with Paul Goble and Adel Bashqawi
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Adel BashqawiGUEST
Well, before, because of problems faced by the Russians uh government or authorities to recruit people from around the world like from jordan ghana india and iraq and the problems they faced with with their governments and now they at the beginning they excluded to a certain extent the people of the north caucasus but when other venues or other ways were closed in front of them or blocked, I would say, they started looking back to the North Caucasus and they wanted now to recruit people from different nations of the North Caucasus, especially the Circassians, because in regard to Chechnya, Ramzan Kadyrov started supporting Russian ambitions and plans since the beginning, but maybe with a later stage with less activities.

Adel BashqawiGUEST
Now, in regard to Khalid Karaf, and as Paul said, his son Noureddine was going or traveling to Moscow to to see or to visit some relatives there.

Adel BashqawiGUEST
And they started, his father, Khaled, started looking for him, started asking.

Adel BashqawiGUEST
He asked his relatives and people there in Moscow whether they saw him or not.
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Glen HowardHOST
We're going to have to wrap up here, but Adele, I wanted to give you the final word and kind of tell us what you think going forward this is going to mean for the circassian diaspora.