But kicking off about you, I suppose, in your career, when you look back, are there some key moments that you think that was the moment that propelled me to where I am here now?

Yeah, I've taken quite a circuitous route, I think, in finance compared to many.

I kind of started at a university, I've worked in PLCs, I've worked in private equity, I've run my own business, and I've worked in startups as well.

I think the theme that has run through most of that is kind of following good people.

So I kind of had a couple of mentors when I worked for a university and they took me under their wing and I did two or three different roles with them and really learned from them, which was great.

And then after BT, I moved to a private healthcare provider.

And the CFO there, again, kind of took me under his wing, gave me a couple of different roles there, and then... sort of pinched me and went over and gave me my first finance director role at breaks, did a couple of roles there, and then also gave me effectively my first CFO role.

What advice would you give to them? What do they need exposure to earlier on in their career that's going to help them get your job one day?