And that was, you know, your inception came up, I think, from a podcast interview is how it started.

Let me give.

So the fun part, Tracy, if you don't mind, have you ever interviewed two co-authors or co-founders at the same time? So the best part, I've interviewed hundreds in that manner.

And the best part is they both have two different stories on how that happened.

Exactly.

So I'll give you mine.

And Chirag might not know this.

But do you believe that you're on purpose when you sit down for an interview and you talk or you fly for an event and you meet with people and you sit with them? Do you feel like, God, I didn't realize, but this is my purpose.

We are going to actually grow, but you don't, you don't, you cannot

determine.

I like that you say faith too, Henry, because that was all God.

Like I remember one specific moment when I decided to make the decision final.

Cause you know, I wasn't, I was a very logical.

I was, and hopefully am a very logical person.

So I, um, I went to like both businesses.

It's like in media, why podcasting? Why did you believe podcasting would become one of the most powerful form of media?

And for someone listening right now who believes they have nothing important to say, what would you remind them of right now?

I would tell you that I started out as the world's worst podcaster, Daniel.

I'm telling you right now.

Let me know.

Wait, you think I'm being nice? You think I'm being humble? That's not the truth.

I was terrible.

Let me tell you.

Looking back now, what internal shift had to happen before your external career changed?

give you a

layer on that too.

To me, it started in business, exactly what you're saying.

This is more of a recent in the last two years.

From context, I've been in the business now going on 10 years, maybe 11 now actually, but another layer of understanding.

What you just said I agree with and another layer of understanding is the thought process of legacy and that this is the first time in history we've all had the opportunity to share.

So, for example, what you said, what you hit on, which is like you want to start a radio station or you want to start a radio show.

it's but that's the thing like you know there's so much and there's so much talent you know people think that uh i cannot i'm not i'm shy i cannot talk and trust me you put them on on this and you get a nice little talk with them and they just go flawless i mean you know it's funny i joke about it like you know have you ever been on the zooms like yeah i do zoom and work well that's what we're doing we're just zooming here so So let's just have a discussion.

I'll give you a

layer on that too.

To me, it started in business, exactly what you're saying.

This is more of a recent in the last two years.

From context, I've been in the business now going on 10 years, maybe 11 now actually, but another layer of understanding.

What you just said I agree with and another layer of understanding is the thought process of legacy and that this is the first time in history we've all had the opportunity to share.

So, for example, what you said, what you hit on, which is like you want to start a radio station or you want to start a radio show.

They actually sit in the car and a video, you know, and they record it and that's and they push it out to to.

How do you think attention is being distributed today?

I like the question, but I don't come from that world of thought to where I think that attention is the challenge.

What I think is the challenge is I think it starts right in that little six inches or however many inches it is that's between our ears.

Let me explain to you why.

It's because the attention's there.

The eyeballs, the people, all of that's always there.

It doesn't matter.

What determines whether an idea gets traction versus being ignored?