And then I learned that even having negative thoughts is a sin.

I'm like, well, this is a wash.

I also went to Catholic school.

So like a big thing is like getting the sacraments, but you get them like during school.

Do you know what I'm? Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Totally.

If you can get

Hours? Every day for hours?

I'd be on the ice for, like, three to four hours, and then I'd be in the gym an hour before I skated the first time.

I'd skate another time in the afternoon, and I'd do another hour before, and then I'd do an- about an hour and a half or two hours after to do the real workout.

'Cause these are all, like, fake workouts.

They're all, like, therapy things and, like, yoga-like things to get your body, like, warmed up and ready for when you go onto the ice.

Yeah.

And I think, like, if you stay, like, I think you'll find the right people, and whether that, that, that, like, love and those f- the friendships of people around you, like, you'll find what, like, love looks like for you, but it's your...

Love is just a, a p- a small part of the whole, like, human experience.

Yeah.

And she is auditioning.

And I'm like, you don't even fucking care about what you're talking about.

You're just pissed off.

And what I truly believe, I truly believe this, is that it all happened, and then somebody got in her ear and was like, "It's not right.

This isn't right." And it's just like one day...

I wouldn't, I don't feel sorry for her, but there's a part of me that does, because one day if she ever does wake up she'll be completely ashamed of herself, and I hope she is.

Mm-hmm.

Yeah

... doesn't represent me.

Somebody who thinks that I'm mentally unwell does not represent who I am." And I said it, and it was just like, "Okay, great," like, we move on.

Like, "How are you feeling?" Like, is the next question.

And then, like, a few days later, it was like, okay, that's when I really felt, like, the, the momentum of, like, what I had said, 'cause I was just, like, some nobody who was not favorite for gold or whatever.

It's this old gay guy going to, like, the Olympics for the first time.

Who cares? And I remember, like, I was...

Yeah.

Yes.

yes so i actually i have a friend her name's ashley wagner and in like 2014 she was going to the olympics in 2014 and they asked her and she was like very outspoken about how she didn't think russia had come out with this like anti-gay propaganda law And it's 2014.

A lot has happened in the like last like 11 years of people speaking up.

And they ask every athlete about, you know, what do they think about it? And everyone's like, well, you know, I'm not from there.

Who am I to knock their traditions and whatever? And my friend Ashley was like super outspoken.

She was like, it's fucked up.

And I remember like I had just come out of like the closet myself like a few years earlier.

How do you feel about that?

She's... yeah.

I, listen, people don't wanna accept this, but it is like, if you wanna see, like, interesting narratives about women over 50, there's only one place on television you're gonna get it.

And it's Bravo!

(laughs)

I love that you achieved parity not by giving them an honorific that was not a slur, but just by bringing us down too.

Um...