But you have a new piece out in The Intercept about, with some new information about the Prairieland case, and so maybe we could just start off with the, some of what y'all, what you and Sarah found.

Yeah.

This was a long simmering piece that grew out of closing argument by Benjamin Song's defense attorney.

Song, just to remind folks, is one of the individuals who participated in this noise demonstration on July 4, 2025.

Quickly turned messy with some acts of vandalism, spray painting guard shack and dismantling a security camera.

Police officer, Lieutenant Gross, was the first to arrive on the scene and shots were exchanged in a very short period of time, including Song who had a, a rifle with him.

Now, and Song, just to fast-forward, is the only one of group- one of this group of nine who was convicted on the charge of attempted murder, the most serious, and faces, I believe, 100 years in prison.

It was-

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Or I was thinking maybe we could give him Ice-- NATO could give him Iceland, and he'll be happy with that, and the Greenland issue will be settled.

Uh, we'll see.

But, so Trump's thinking or his approach to Greenland has certainly, uh, taken on new life in this second term.

I mean, in twenty nineteen, he floated the idea of buying Greenland, which was laughed at.

Uh, the Danish prime minister called it absurd.

No one really took it seriously, uh, and it was essentially forgotten about.

You know, uh, we'll give the United States a mulligan on the first term of Trump." And the, it, it was still up in the air on the second, but it really does feel like, uh, this has been the final sort of, like, blow, the nail in the coffin that has basically said, like, "Uh, we can't trust these people anymore."

What have you seen coming out of the administration the past year that's been lost amidst the chaos?

Yeah, I was thinking about that a little bit as well, just in terms of the kind of attention that environmental issues and environmental policy got during Trump's first term when there was, I think, less certainty about how the administration would handle climate change and climate science research in addition to environmental policy more broadly.

And of course, this time around, there really was no secret in terms of what the administration was planning to do.

So I think essentially from day one, They've followed the game plan of undoing essentially everything that the Biden administration had tried to achieve in terms of somewhat modest reforms to climate policy through legislation and also through, you know, the Department of the Interior, which is what I primarily focus on.

And I think we've essentially seen them adopt the same kind of playbook that they did under the first Trump administration, except I think the biggest difference this time around is that they have far more competent people in positions of power to sort of execute their agenda.

And I think that sometimes that can get lost in the fog of sort of chaos and corruption that we see every day in headlines around some of the biggest stories that are taking up the attention of, you know, mainstream media, but just like, for example, the EPA and the Department of the Interior, which probably oversee

It's not inevitable that they're going to win.

Yeah, I mean, so I think there's a couple of things that have surprised me and that I think are as yet unresolved, the deployment of National Guard troops to American cities and essentially the speed with which the administration sort of went that route without really any reasonable provocation.