Can you tell me sort of how did you make this decision? What was going on in your mind that you're like, okay, I'm going to basically go back to school in my 40s and pursue this line of advanced education? Like what inspired you to make that sacrifice?

So I think like, I don't know, I don't come to training via like the traditional route.

I think a lot of people in our profession were like athletes growing up.

Like that was not my story.

I was into like skateboarding and like smoking weed, like as a kid.

And like, that was pretty much it.

And it wasn't until much later that I got into fitness and started a career in in personal training for like 20 years and always wanted to be kind of like a one-stop shop for people, but circumstances just made it untenable.

Is that still kind of the old school way of doing things? Is that just depend on the practitioner in your experience? Like, why, why get to the end and feel like there's no next steps?