But yeah, have you got maybe, um, some, some interesting stories of, of some of the biggest and best athletes that you've, you've managed to work, work with over your, your years?

Well, back in the mid-'90s, a long, long time ago, I actually started as a, as a young cameraman on a program called Football Mundial, which was, which was a production by, it was an IMG production back then, or Transworld International it used to be called.

And it was a, an incredible program because the producers would sit there with a globe and just spin it and just put their finger on it and go, "Right, we're gonna go this country and we're gonna ha- we're gonna have to go there and film three stories." So they'd call you up and go, "Do you fancy going to Iran or, you know, somewhere in South America, you know, for like 10 days?" And you go, "Yep, absolutely." And you know, as a young, kind of mid-20s, late 20s kind of guy, it was ideal kind of job.

You travel around the world, film stories around football.

It wasn't, it wasn't just like, you know, it w- it wasn't like filming a football match.

It was a story around a player or a team or the national team or, or anything that made it a little bit quirky.

And so the experiences one had telling those stories was, was fascinating.

He still is really young, but yeah.