How common, I mean, do you think this is going to be a common thing going forward? Like, how common are these kind of things exploited in the wild? I think

the The reality is they're quite rarely exploited.

There have been, if you were to look at the details of recent security fixes within the updates, WebKit exploits and image IO bugs have been a common theme throughout.

But often they're not categorized as confirmed exploits, more they're just discoveries of vulnerabilities, what could be exploited.

But that doesn't mean they haven't happened.

And like you said, there is cause of concern around the nature of them, if it is able to gain access to the system or compromise the device with minimal to little end user impact, it's always going to be something we should be taking seriously.

And again, it goes back to the point and the theme that we've already been discussing around sort of properly understanding what these software updates include and making a decision whether or not to prioritize a fix quicker than you would do elsewhere.

And I mean, I think Apple, there's a lot of credit here, but do you think Do you think these kind of patches going forward, if they're, you know, are not going to be limited to this older iPhone or, you know, should, I guess my question is, how should this impact your refresh strategy? Is this something where you see these kind of exploits, you're like, okay, we need to upgrade faster or are you comfortable with Apple's, you know, kind of positioning of keeping these patches to as many devices as possible?

We're there.

Yeah, it is there.

It is when people come in, they are surprised at how much space we have when we get in.

Well, yeah.

It doesn't look as big from the street, but we have a full-sized gym.

We have large classrooms, a large dining room.

Our chapel seats about 125 people.

seeing an increased demand at the food pantry

So what should they be doing to better secure that?

Yeah, I think the number one threat we see isn't these zero-day exploits, the kind of sexy spyware-type stuff that you hear about.

Often it's just complacency.

Our 360 report where every year we analyze...

Live data to look at for security trends.

For 2024, we found that 32% of organizations had at least one Mac with a critical patchable vulnerability running and actually over half, about 55% of mobile devices in the workplace at any given point are on an outdated version of operating system.

which obviously leaves them exposed to known exploits.

Are those days long gone now?