How do you manage time or do you not think about it? Because time feels like it's such a big part of your work as well.

Yeah, I was having an interesting conversation with a painter, I guess, was that last week? Maybe last week or two weeks ago, I had an opening at the University of Richmond in Virginia, and he was talking about that everything within the installation was its own kind of clock, that everything has its own kind of time.

So I try to situate things within like a cosmological time, right, like pointing to Astronomy or like you using like a constellation as a compositional device right and thinking about like the long stretch of time that we're actually on right which is feels a lot of time and fathomable right.

So it's like, oh, we're really actually on this like ancient trip.

Right.

And we're recycled energy and in new forms.

Right.

It's very impressive.