I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about that colonial time and also the framing of like, oh, well, you can seek liberation within these colonialist confines, but then how could you ever actually access liberation?

I mean, look, I think this is a very complicated topic.

Because on the one hand, I mean, if we started from this position, the sheer fact, for instance, that I'm speaking to you in English and trying, for instance, to engage with perhaps an American audience or an international audience, so I'm speaking outside of my natural language, which is Arabic, can be seen also as this attempt to use the master's tool to dismantle the master's house.

And I think that that critique, as much as it's accurate on some level, that it has a utility to understand where the master school tools, while you're using them, can actually eventually lead to the incorporation of the struggle in a way that makes it less subversive, less radical, less capable of actually changing the world.

But there is something about Palestine that is very particular in the sense that no matter what language we use, whether it's human rights discourses, whether it's institutional respectable discourse that a liberal in the US can actually understand and perhaps engage with, or whether we use discourses emanating from Islam, or there is something that actually excessive about Palestine and its own contradictions.

where despite using all of these different discourses and languages something remains there's a glitch in the whole system as such you know what i mean by that is that palestine is not really capable of being incorporated in a meaningful manner and that's why palestine remains this kind of remainder outside that is actually in many ways capable of disrupting the whole structures And because there's a long history of attempting to pacify Palestinians through discourse, institutional arrangements, through some sort of narrative even, narrative construction, whereby people could, for example, claim this is two national groups claiming the same land, fighting for each other, or creating this kind of topology of the Palestinian victim through human rights discourses, where the Palestinians basically archived as, you know, the receiver of Israeli colonial violence without any implications as such, or with Palestine going to all these UN institutions, whether the ICJ, ICC, etc.

But if we look at, in fact, what happened in the past three years, three years, specifically the intensity not only of Gaza's own resistance, but also the sheer fact that many of these institutions, many of the discourses around these institutions were revealed as either limited or hypocritical Or worse, in many ways, that they know the truth but still act otherwise.

And so I have to somehow erase that so that we can be level and that you are also amputated from place and time as I am.