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Aaron Withe

Aaron Withe

CEO of the Freedom Foundation and President of the Teacher Freedom Alliance, author of "Freedom is the Foundation."

Oct 15, 2026

19:17
Well, A, what misinformation are they talking about? And B, how can a state pass a law preventing you or anyone else from speaking? Don't you have First Amendment rights?
19:28
Yeah, exactly.
19:29
So their claim was that, uh, the Freedom Foundation was pretending to be union employees, impersonate union employees, to convince union members to leave their union.
19:41
So they call these bills, uh, union impersonation bills.
19:45
Uh, but their argument is completely illogical.
19:48
They claim that, you know, we're pretending to be union employees to convince somebody to leave the union.
19:54
It makes complete nonsense.
21:21
And now Democrats who control these state governments in Oregon and New York are trying to stop you from telling people, "Here are what your protected constitutional rights are." Now, I hear a lot of people screaming about fascism and dictatorships and authoritarianism and democracy these days, but this sounds like the opposite of that, Aaron, I gotta tell you.
19:17
Well, A, what misinformation are they talking about? And B, how can a state pass a law preventing you or anyone else from speaking? Don't you have First Amendment rights?
19:29
Yeah, exactly.
19:30
So their claim was that the Freedom Foundation was pretending to be union employees, impersonate union employees to convince union members to leave their union.
19:41
So they call these bills union impersonation bills, but their argument is completely illogical.
19:48
They claim that we're pretending to be union employees.
19:52
to convince somebody to leave the union.
19:55
It makes complete nonsense.
21:41
But this sounds like the opposite of that, Aaron, I got to tell you.
67:49
So could you just fill us in a little bit about the Janus case and why it's so important?
67:56
Yes, so prior to the Janus decision, in states like New York and Connecticut, public employees were required to pay union dues.
68:03
They were required to pay dues to a union, even if they didn't want to be members.
68:08
The Janus decision, Mark Janus was a public employee who disagreed with this.
68:14
He sued his union, AFS, in the state of Illinois, and the U.S. Supreme Court agreed that he could not be forced to pay union dues.
68:23
So now that that decision has come down, every public employee in America now has the ability to opt out of their unions and stop paying union dues.
68:32
So people like Mark weren't forced to pay for the union's political agenda.
70:50
So what's going on now in New York?
2:30
What precedent does that set? What does that mean for teachers going forward that we did this officially, unions listen up, we're declaring independence?
2:37
Well, yeah, I love that the teachers did that.
2:39
Ryan can give you some of the backstory for it.
2:41
But that came from the teachers.
2:43
That was their idea.
2:44
I love it.
2:45
As we celebrate America's 250th anniversary and we look at the founding of this country, the teachers' unions are the exact opposite.
6:01
With the vibe of the Teacher Freedom Summit happening right now as a whole, do y'all feel optimistic about where education and where opt-outs and the conversation around unions are going?

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