Yeah and five teens will be going to Slovakia which you know that's that's really far away what do you think the fishing is like over there?

We've got quite a bit of knowledge.

Quite a lot of our anglers have been over there.

It's quite a popular spot on the world sort of circuit.

I've been there myself, although a little while ago, 2004 was my last trip there.

So it's interesting fishing.

The really interesting thing is there are different species there that we just don't have in New Zealand.

Is it judged on the length of the fish, the weight of the fish, how many fish or all of the above?

What do you think the fishing is like over there?

We've got quite a bit of knowledge.

Quite a lot of our anglers have been over there.

It's quite a popular spot on the world sort of circuits.

I've been there myself although a little while ago 2004 was my last trip there so it's interesting fishing the really interesting thing is there are different species there that we just don't have in New Zealand so they have what called grayling over there which are quite different to trout in a lot of ways it's a really exciting challenge it's always been a bit of a tough one for us kiwis going over there from here but the kids are going to love it there's going to be plenty of fish around.

Is it judged on the length of the fish, the weight of the fish, how many fish or all of the above?

Yeah, well, it's all catch and release, all barbless hooks.

the fish must return to the water and and swim away so we have sessions um generally we have at least three sessions in a competition and you you get drawn say in a river you get drawn sections of river catch as many fish as you can and a lot of time which is usually two hours to three hours they'll get measured and released and there's a point system based on the number of fish you catch and the length that then you know decides where you where you sit amongst everyone else

Where do you start then with preparation from your point of view, living so far away, to come over here to race?

race?Preparation starts years in advance in a, in a ideal world.

The course takes so long to really understand and, and learn.

So ideally, I showed up for the, the new- the newcomers weekend with the track fully memorized.

I knew what corner was where, and it really helped learn the finer details like where the camber and the grade of the road are going and, you know, this spray paint and marker is the turn-in point.

Without having the, the base knowledge of it, y- you just, you'll never, you'll never take that info in.

So I think you're always gonna be learning the circuit.

I love that you've seen that side of the Isle of Man already, that people really just wanna do whatever they can to help.

It's very young, yes

... it's very young, uh, compared to, you know, um, uh, Bazin and all them.

Um, but they, but the auteur theory has changed a lot and I, I, I...

The thing is, the auteur theory, the...

I don't really need to explain to a lot of people what an auteur is.

I think even the mainstream, for the most part, maybe not completely, they understand at a high level what that concept means.

Um, and, and they've, they've kind of commoditized it.

And I know you have a podcast or a series of different podcasts that are all under the Cine Journeys feed.

[laughing]

Well, I, um, yeah, I, I showed up...

Well, no.

Okay.

I called out of work, and I wake up at 5:00 PM, and I, I call my work.

I'm like, "Oh my God, I'm so sorry." I'd worked there for years.

I'd never, you know, had any issue with attendance.

Uh-huh.