The experiences that the dog gets in years one, two, and three I think are pretty important.

Yeah, absolutely.

So it was fun having labs, but we were thinking about getting a Brittany when Emma was like seven maybe.

Yeah.

And it just was like, no, we don't like we had to.

We had to end up giving the other one away because she just didn't do well when we had our daughter.

She would get so anxious and like the carpet would be tore up or you'd come home and there'd be like 18 piles of crap in the house.

yeah

Mm-hmm.

So it's, you know, getting in between that is important, but being on the tail end of which, which side is gonna be better for the light and your wind at the same time.

So we, we just talked about, um, my opener was pretty good.

I saw a bunch of bucks, and, um, the wind was predicted to be, like, 10 to 14 miles an hour throughout the evening, and I should have been a little smarter and knew that it was gonna die off right before last light.

And, uh, if, of course, it was like, well, do I, do I pay attention to what I think is gonna happen or pay attention to what the weatherman says? And usually if you know what your area does, like, you should pay attention to that first.

So the wind died off, like, 35, 35 minutes to an hour before last light, and my thermal started to shift downhill, and that's where the bucks were traveling.

Had they been half hour earlier, I probably would've been okay, but they all kinda, like, got a sense that something wasn't right.

... and so, like, in, in your experience in the past, like, once that first frost hits, what changes over the next seven days?

I mean, wouldn't you?

I do, yeah.

Uh, well, so that's one thing.

I do, like- I have a lot of deer hunting spots that I want to hunt, where I take the dog for birds, but I haven't really s- I found a lot of good spots, and I've seen good deer there.

Like, I've gone out, this spot shouldn't have big bucks and stuff, and I've s- I've seen some pretty good, not like giants or anything, like 115, 120-inch deer checking scrapes on a m- on a field edge in the middle of like, you know-

It's, dude, the first, like, couple weeks of, it's tough, 'cause you gotta, like, adjust to sitting, you know what I mean? Like-

Yeah.

I could do that, but I'm like, I don't know if it's fully necessary to do that.

Um, but I'm just kind of curious, like, do all of a sudden people turn to it that maybe never did before? Like, what are, what do you see in that moment?

Faith in the hospital is a really difficult thing sometimes.

Um, I see a lot of people who didn't care about God all of a sudden care about God and say, Oh God, I'll get them through this.

Oh, you know, and, but they don't really, they don't really have the faith.

They're just kind of clinging to some kind of hope.

But for me, like that never really shakes me.

Cause I can kind of tell when people, they, they don't like, it's just something that they're clinging to.

yeah

Yeah.

But one time, uh, kind of early on in my intensive care career, I took care...

I can kinda tell this story a little bit.

Um, I took care of a gentleman for, for days, right? And um, he had a terminal cancer condition and uh, he started to lose his, his mind.

Uh, he kind of um, he would hallucinate and have problems remembering things from the past and things like that.

And um, you know, his wife was really struggling because they had a lot of conversations about what he wanted like, and he was getting some insane cancer treatments, like top, top-of-the-line cancer treatments and um, they weren't working.

And uh, you know, I had a lot of conversations with her over those days and she decided that, you know, if he would get a whole lot worse, she wouldn't want...

Yeah.

Yeah.

But one time, uh, kind of early on in my intensive care career, I took care...

I can kinda tell this story a little bit.

Um, I took care of a gentleman for, for days, right? And, um, he had a terminal cancer condition, and, uh, he started to lose his, his mind.

Uh, he kind of, um, he would hallucinate and have problems remembering things from the past and things like that.

And um, you know, his wife was really struggling because they had a lot of conversations about what he wanted, like, and he was getting some insane cancer treatments, like top, top-of-the-line cancer treatments, and, um, they weren't working.

And, uh, you know, I had a lot of conversations with her over those days, and she decided that, you know, if he would get a whole lot worse, she wouldn't want...

Yeah.

gonna kind of just jump right into it yeah do you remember a moment like you were just talking about you want to talk about some of those memories man like what what was it that sticks out in your head that was like yep this is it i love this

yeah you know collectively i don't remember there was a time where i was like fishing's not that fun like every time we would go out and catch a pile of bluegills i was like this is the best and then we'd go home and my one grandfather would take like pretzels and corn flakes and stuff and crush them up and make breading for these bluegills.

And he made the best bluegills there was, you know, we always talk, we call them paps bluegills, you know, cause he, he made the best.

And, um, but there was times where I remember going to a little pond, uh, that he liked to take us to with, and he, he had me and my brother that day.

And he gave us each a bucket of worms and said, there's a lot in here today.

And like, we had to go back and be like, Pat, we ran out of worms, you know, and we each had a limit of bluegills on a stringer and, you know, so pumped like we never caught this many and because he usually would stop us at a certain number you know but we were having a big family fish fry and he's like keep going like if you're not if you're not at 50 yet keep going you know uh they're small things man i remember my my other grandfather he was more of a technical fisherman and he loved just bass fish and catch and release i had one grandfather who kept everything that was legal and the other one was like let it all go and very technical you know And, um, he used to love, he used to love to fish with a Jersey rig.

You ever hear of a Jersey rig? They were like hand, they were like some of the original hand poured, um, Senko style bait, basically.

i was like you know

Yeah, I

agree.

So here's the thing.

I never really...

I like to talk about deer hunting and I never want somebody to think that my way is the way that you need to do it.

Because one thing that irritates me about, you know, podcasts are a thing that started probably like at this point, probably 14, 15 years ago, you know, podcasts started getting popular and they really started gaining traction in the deer hunting world.

Then you got all these guests that want to be on and they want to talk about their method and their method works for them.

But, you know, when you're trying to, like, keep up with dough groups, you know, and where bucks are in relation to that, like, what's kind of your game plan or what's the things you look for?