is what you want so the the first two eps which is holding this moment then were with him right and then uh it all comes down to this was not with him but then you bring him back for good blood it was that uh hey let's go very intentional yes very intentional friend

Yeah, so he did everything from the demo up to holding the demo, the first two seven inches, the holding this moment EP.

He did all of that.

And at the time, Converge had done a tour with Today's the Day.

And Steve Austin did When Forever Comes Crashing with Kurt.

Oh, that's right.

And Steve Austin was like, Hey, I want to do the new Bane record.

And then to have it not come out the way you want it to, that sucks.