I wonder if you could like trace a little bit of your history with tech, like your own personal takes on it.

So there's a couple of layers to that, one of which is sort of unique to my moment in history and another of which is unique to sort of my Christian tradition, both of which inform this.

So age wise, I'm just a child of the 80s who basically is a kid in the house in a neighborhood in the early to mid 90s when the Internet came into our houses.

So in that way, I think those of us who fit that description are patient zero on life with the internet, right? And so a lot of our parents were interested in the things, but sort of in the way that grandparents are interested in iPads now, like it's a novelty thing.

But in terms of kind of growing up with it, that's like my formative years.

So like the early sort of what is a chat room or AOL or LimeWire or all these things like, figuring out fun stuff on the internet and even what is the internet is sort of right where I lived.

Yeah.

We just assume that connection, efficiency, and freedom are all just de facto good no matter what.

That's worldrelief.org slash shifting culture.

Yeah, it's a really hard decision.

And I think there's an old truism, I guess, in journalism, broadly taken, that you need to give some people some need-to-read articles.

But to get them to read those, you have to give them some want-to-read articles.

So you're always mixing this want-to-read and need-to-read.

And by and large, I think that's fine.

I think we tune in to, say, The Colbert Show or Jimmy Fallon to see whatever celebrity play some dumb game.

How do we show up in the world today? With nuance, living in the tension that may lead humanity to a better place