That's tr- the troubling part of these two albums.

This record was on Epitaph.

They went from their big label to Epitaph on this record, which I find interesting.

And, um, definitely heavier guitars again, but not necessarily that heavy of a record.

I actually feel like in a way, first listen of each, I liked Hurley better.

But I feel like I had more of a reaction to Raditude.

You know, most of it negative, but I had more of a reaction.

Yeah.

Where do we start with the Beach Boys? What a ball of wax.

Yeah, yeah.

I remember when I was in my 20s, when I was super into vinyl, I don't think I'd really given Beach Boys much of a fair shake because I just knew their early stuff and I didn't really...

I didn't really consider the musicality of the early stuff, but a friend of mine, and I'm sure this happened to many, many people in their 20s, a friend of mine goes, you got to listen to Pet Sounds.

And so I listened to Pet Sounds.

It totally changed my whole perspective on the Beach Boys.

I went in pretty deep with them.

Wouldn't they write a song about Johnny Carson in the 60s if he was around?