Anna, please.

Well, I mean, where do we go from here, right? I mean...

Yeah, to really ask, because I think we can feel so helpless sometimes, especially these days, to ask what does it mean to lift our hands and hearts in this land? And, you know, I don't know about anybody else.

I mean, I sometimes wonder, you know, is creating art enough? Is I mean, a psychotherapist is listening to my clients enough, like what is enough? How do we know that it's enough? And then at the same time, we have to be willing to be in love with what's here or else we're missing the whole gift of life.

I think life does redeem itself.

Nature does have ways of recycling it's it was interesting dad even looking at that video and seeing the people in masks and going all right covid all of the things that we move through as humans and um yeah what does it mean to take up our little part in that journey and allow that it's enough.

So I'm gonna read this poem and then we have a really powerful song which Dylan wrote and you sang and for you to actually talk about that too, I think on the other side would be really meaningful.

Anna, again, just lovely doing it.

And as someone who is now devoted to exploring this creativity and listening pattern as you are, how did you get to this space?

Well, it's interesting, Jill.

I, I wasn't sure if I wanted to share this part of the story or not, but my father is also a creative.

He's a singer-songwriter.

Uh, he wrote The Wedding Song, which is this very popular song that's played at many weddings.

And his story about that songwriting experience was that he said a prayer prior to Peter Yarrow's wedding.

He is, he is Paul of Peter, Paul and Mary.

It, it just, it's yours