I- in your work life, how often do you run into the freaks?

You know, it's, it's more than you'd think.

I would say less on the artist level and more on the kind of freaks behind the scene who are making albums and certain bands.

I mean, you know, one of the things that inspired me to do this Lucifer zine recently was just taking part in this Braindead Fantasy Fest, and that was a really wild crossover of all sorts of people.

Uh, you know, even people doing, like, Warhammer and other spinoff things, but it's, uh, you know, Magic: The Gathering as well, that kinda, that kinda... all those worlds colliding.

Uh, so actually in the kinda music producer kind of spiral, I think, you know, there's, there's some awareness of it and, and for me as well, I mean, you know, it's been...

It's, it's so different.

Yeah

It's a really rough one.

It's a really rough, simple one.

Like, the pedal setup is, like, I think it's just one pedal for each sound, so this is just, these two are just, um, going through the Boss Super Drive.

[rock music] And then it's so basic.

These two higher ones are just going through the RAT pedal [rock music] to get that sort of crunch.

Which again, related to the, became related to the plasma and the other-

Yeah.

I think the thing that I always just keep on coming back to is, like, when you are working with people you know so well and actually genuinely enjoy spending time with and, and wanna talk about music with and all that stuff, like, stick with those people because actually that's always where I've made my most interesting music or, like, I've had the most fun.