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By 15, you've lost about 50% of that.

By age 30, you've lost about 90% of that.

But the number is still significant.

Like, you have not yet really started to see it, but n- now or in a few years, you'll start to realize if you get an injury, you're not repairing like you used to, like 15 years ago.

So we have started studies on stable chronic congestive heart failure.

So these are people with at least two years of heart failure in wherever they are in their lives.

I'm definitely gonna try it.

How do you look at that? How did you find these ingredients, and what would you say about the ethics of something like this type of a supplement versus other treatments?

I mean, it really depends on what angle we want to take on ethics.

I think that the type of stem cells that we have access to today Uh, I mean, a lot of arguments can be, can be made to say that they're, they're pretty much all ethical.

Like, we're no longer talking about the stem cells coming from embryos or the, or, or those kinds of sources.

Now, the ethics of saying mothers giving their, the stem cells from umbilical cord to a, to a blood bank, you could have that kind of discussion, but I think pretty much everything is really ethical.

From our angle with the plants, it's not that I had a desire to go natural.

I've studied plants all my life, but it was really, I was studying this blue-green algae.

So talk to us about how this was formed, how you source, and how you ensure that, that your sourcing is ethical.

Can you kind of unpack what are the different types or the different sources of stem cells that are available? And why one would be more useful over another, and if there's a scenario in which one would be more useful than another.

It's a big question.

So let me unpack all the layers.

First, the historical aspect of what you're talking about.

It's totally correct.

There's a time when it was like a big deal.

Today, it has pretty much like faded away.

But what you're talking about is endogenous, you know, from the inside.

with the work of dr robert o becker so what becker has proven is that it's an electromagnetic aspect and so like he even laid out the pluripotential stem cells coming from red blood cells right it was a reversion which is fascinating so the electromagnetic component on regeneration is vitally important right and this is where i was before the physics piece is fundamental so what About the release of stem cells and in an electromagnetic capability, are we missing when we try to inject stem cells and do some of this other crazy stuff?

I mean, it's a question that has many, many layers.

Let me try to go in various directions.

Number one, you brought something that is fascinating in the sense that there's data when some scientists cut the paw of a rat.

We know that the salamander will regenerate their limbs naturally.

So when you put an electrode in the wound where you've cut that paw, you can record a certain potential, electrical potential.

When you do this in a mammalian, like a mouse, for example, you get the reversal of the potential.

So how do we square all this away?

For, um, listeners that are new to the stem cell concept, why exactly are stem cells so important for aging and healing? And you often describe them as the body's repair system, and so how does that process work in everyday life?

life?Okay.

It's a big question, but it's a fascinating question.

So let's first answer the question, like, how is the, the stem cells the body's repair system? So I, I find it fascinating that it is something that everybody on earth has experienced.

Everybody has had a broken bone, a cut, a bruise, something, and have witnessed that the human body repairs.

However, in medicine, there's no clear description of what is happening in this process of tissue repair.

If you get a broken bone, the doctor puts you in a cast and tells you, "Come back in six weeks." He doesn't say, "Come back to see me in six weeks, and in the meantime, do A, B, and C to support X, Y, Z in order to repair better." The understanding of the mechanism of that process of tissue repair was not there until recently, and the discovery is that it's your stem cells.

Yeah

Yeah.

And when we started to do these, to test these, we saw an immediate drop in the number of stem cells.

Now, we're looking for something that is going to give an increase.

So as somebody...

I'm not a clinician, I'm in the lab.

So as somebody in the lab, you see a reverse of what you're expecting, and you think the machine is screwed up.

So let's clean up the machine, let's readjust everything, and, uh, later on we get the same response.

You're right

Yeah.

So, I was hired in 1995, uh, to study how this plant was working in the body.

[lip smack] Uh, this was just after the passage of the DSHEA, the Dietary Supplement Health and Education Act, and the company selling this product needed to have an explanation, a mechanism of action to be able to support, and data to be able to support the claims that they were making.

So, that's how I started.

So, I'll make the story short here, but as I'm studying this plant, we quickly identified its main mechanisms of action.

But as I'm researching it, I come across people who, after consuming this blue-green algae, had reversal of multiple sclerosis, diabetes, heart disease, emphysema, Parkinson, Alzheimer's, liver failure.

I mean, conditions, not only the stories were very impressive, but they were touching all aspects of human health.

Mm-hmm.