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I think that'll be really interesting to add her kind of brain into some of that as well.

And I think for me, the biggest summary from the entire paper is one of the biggest reasons or my kind of summary is the biggest reason serious incidents occur isn't that the worker ignored the control.

It's that organizations have so often designed controls that are either difficult or impossible to to implement slash comply with in the real world.

And, you know, as someone who's worked in corporate and worked more operationally, that whole ivory tower and where risk registers and who's creating the controls, where did the controls come from? Did we test them? All of those things, you know, in my head really played out as far as reflecting back on my career.
Or you've been the one enforcing things you don't quite believe in because someone else...

Like, I think a real basic one, right, is I don't know how many times I've heard people complain, the old, as soon as you walk onto site, you've got to wear a hard hat, but there is nothing... above and it's like, oh, are we worried about the bird falling on my head? And, you know, I think when we start to put things in that just do not make sense or in this case are difficult or impossible, like, yeah, we can implement it, but also it's stupid.

But yeah, no, that was, that was my initial thoughts is, or I guess my high level summary of the paper, because I thought it was quite interesting.
So we've got easy, which would mean that the worker could have easily applied the control as intended.
And so if the control didn't get used, it was either because they didn't use it correctly or it wasn't used at all.
The difficult controls, the ones where the workers find it hard or unsuitable to apply the controls exactly as planned, and they might have had to adapt the control or skip it entirely because it didn't quite work well enough.

I think that'll be really interesting to add her kind of brain into some of that as well.

And I think for me, the biggest summary from the entire paper is one of the biggest reasons or my kind of summary is the biggest reason serious incidents occur isn't that the worker ignored the control.

It's that organizations have so often designed controls that are either difficult or impossible to to implement slash comply with in the real world.

And, you know, as someone who's worked in corporate and worked more operationally, that whole ivory tower and where risk registers and who's creating the controls, where did the controls come from? Did we test them? All of those things, you know, in my head really played out as far as reflecting back on my career.
Or you've been the one enforcing things you don't quite believe in because someone else...

Like, I think a real basic one, right, is I don't know how many times I've heard people complain, the old, as soon as you walk onto site, you've got to wear a hard hat, but there is nothing... above and it's like, oh, are we worried about the bird falling on my head? And, you know, I think when we start to put things in that just do not make sense or in this case are difficult or impossible, like, yeah, we can implement it, but also it's stupid.

But yeah, no, that was, that was my initial thoughts is, or I guess my high level summary of the paper, because I thought it was quite interesting.
So we've got easy, which would mean that the worker could have easily applied the control as intended.
And so if the control didn't get used, it was either because they didn't use it correctly or it wasn't used at all.
The difficult controls, the ones where the workers find it hard or unsuitable to apply the controls exactly as planned, and they might have had to adapt the control or skip it entirely because it didn't quite work well enough.
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