Creating a different culture of power (for women) with Beatriz Della Costa

mentality of it.

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'm also curious about how this understanding the American mentality, capitalist mentality, has or hasn't, I don't know, you tell me, influenced your work.

I mean, I

am going, I think my next phase now of my job is really relating with American, like American environment.

What I'm understanding is when you work with social issues, especially in this moment of the country, of this country, they are not very interested in what's happening in other places.

And I understand and I agree with them.

They have so much things to worry about, which has changed a little bit my perception that it's less about asking them to help us or to support us back in our countries, but how can we... bring things that we learned from our countries and our struggles with democracy, with all of this political turmoil that we lived for so many years in our countries.

How can we help from our knowledge? How can we bring some ideas to help them at this moment, you know? I don't know if they are super open to that, to be honest, but I think there

is a strategy.

It's such an interesting challenge.

And I think there is, of course, it's incredibly difficult to make your own space, find your own space, being an outsider.

But I think you're right in the fact that there are lessons learned.

to be like imported by the United States.

Right.

Because especially from Latin America, Latin America is a region that has each individual country has had numerous ups and downs with democracy, has had a moment of like very weakened, very, uh, very weakened democratic systems.

And then they have come back around and they have built their democratic systems up better and stronger.

And they've had periods of growth and of success and stability in democracy.

And then we've seen them deteriorate and crumble a little again.

And so we've been on this wave.

And so I think there are lessons that you can impart from Brazil and from the things that your country has gone through.

How you get that across, how you find purchase in local authorities or people working here on the ground, that is going to be the tricky part.

Because the U.S. isn't used to...

In Latin America, we're so used to tropicalization.

We are so used to hearing... great scholars and thinkers and innovators from abroad.

mentality of it.

Yeah, that's very interesting.

I'm also curious about how this understanding the American mentality, capitalist mentality, has or hasn't, I don't know, you tell me, influenced your work.

I mean, I

am going, I think my next phase now of my job is really relating with American, like American environment.

What I'm understanding is when you work with social issues, especially in this moment of the country, of this country, they are not very interested in what's happening in other places.

And I understand and I agree with them.

They have so much things to worry about, which has changed a little bit my perception that it's less about asking them to help us or to support us back in our countries, but how can we... bring things that we learned from our countries and our struggles with democracy, with all of this political turmoil that we lived for so many years in our countries.

How can we help from our knowledge? How can we bring some ideas to help them at this moment, you know? I don't know if they are super open to that, to be honest, but I think there

is a strategy.

It's such an interesting challenge.

And I think there is, of course, it's incredibly difficult to make your own space, find your own space, being an outsider.

But I think you're right in the fact that there are lessons learned.

to be like imported by the United States.

Right.

Because especially from Latin America, Latin America is a region that has each individual country has had numerous ups and downs with democracy, has had a moment of like very weakened, very, uh, very weakened democratic systems.

And then they have come back around and they have built their democratic systems up better and stronger.

And they've had periods of growth and of success and stability in democracy.

And then we've seen them deteriorate and crumble a little again.

And so we've been on this wave.

And so I think there are lessons that you can impart from Brazil and from the things that your country has gone through.

How you get that across, how you find purchase in local authorities or people working here on the ground, that is going to be the tricky part.

Because the U.S. isn't used to...

In Latin America, we're so used to tropicalization.

We are so used to hearing... great scholars and thinkers and innovators from abroad.