Were We Lucky, or Were We Good?
Sep 1, 2026 · 42 min · 9 segments
In the world of outdoor education, success often teeters on the edge of luck and skill. What happens when we experience a near miss? How do we learn from those moments that could have ended in…
Stuart SlayGuest
Steve SmithHost
Um, and so, This is always a question that we have when we review organizations.
We can look for like, is this organization or this program meet all the different standards that exist out there that are applicable to them? In other words, do they have the basic and the fundamentals in place? And then we, as a, you know, in our line of work, we like to go a little bit deeper and we want to know how mature is this risk management program? And so there's various things that we want to, you know, this is how we can help people to improve.
And so one of these things is, well, how do they learn from incidents? So sure, they have incidents.
Sure, they have an on-call system and emergency plans and all this type of thing.
But how do they actually learn from these things? And that tells us a lot about the maturity of that program.
And we can, you know, that's what we do is we help them to improve those things.
Cause I think you're, I have a feeling you're going to get there, but just to highlight that for the, for the, for the viewers.
And I'm trying to ask everybody, you know, who was possibly involved or knowledgeable of this incident of, of tell me how that went at the end.
And it became very clear that the organization was, And then, therefore, the program director really tried to put the blame on the instructor.
Um, and so, This is always a question that we have when we review organizations.
We can look for like, is this organization or this program meet all the different standards that exist out there that are applicable to them? In other words, do they have the basic and the fundamentals in place? And then we, as a, you know, in our line of work, we like to go a little bit deeper and we want to know how mature is this risk management program? And so there's various things that we want to, you know, this is how we can help people to improve.
And so one of these things is, well, how do they learn from incidents? So sure, they have incidents.
Sure, they have an on-call system and emergency plans and all this type of thing.
But how do they actually learn from these things? And that tells us a lot about the maturity of that program.
And we can, you know, that's what we do is we help them to improve those things.
Cause I think you're, I have a feeling you're going to get there, but just to highlight that for the, for the, for the viewers.
And I'm trying to ask everybody, you know, who was possibly involved or knowledgeable of this incident of, of tell me how that went at the end.
And it became very clear that the organization was, And then, therefore, the program director really tried to put the blame on the instructor.
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