Sep 16, 2026 · 1 hr 2 min · 13 segments
This week's Recovery Talk takes a few twists and turns through many different recovery subjects. Steve and I discuss why many ideas and perspectives on pride are all valid. That there is no "right"…
I'm just
tired emotionally and physically.
It's like, I mean, I was talking, I forget with who, and we were talking about what brings us joy.
And in a healing journey, in a recovery journey, I mean, we have to reinvent that, it seems, all the time.
Yeah, to try to find what really does bring us joy.
Bring us
joy, right?
Yeah.
You know, so, you know, I have a record player.
So listening to records or listening to bands from beginning to end makes me feel good.
Like, I don't know that it brings joy, though, right? It's trying to find that space that allows your mental exhaustion to...
to subside.
Because mental exhaustion,
yeah,
mental exhaustion rarely, like you wake up, if you're mentally exhausted, you wake up and you're fucking exhausted.
Yeah.
You're just pretty much exhausted all day, right?
You know, you're just completely, yeah.
And so I have been, and it's, another word for it is burnout.
So with building Stonewall and doing the work that I do and working with people, um, I forgot where my joy was.
And for the last three or four years, everything but recovery, other people's recovery, and that sort of stuff became my entire focus.
So even now, it's like, I'm tired.
And I'm working really hard to find that space to rejuvenate.
And I was saying to the person this weekend, and I was like, I used to get my joy meeting people one-on-one for coffee.
But that's my life now.
I'm just
tired emotionally and physically.
It's like, I mean, I was talking, I forget with who, and we were talking about what brings us joy.
And in a healing journey, in a recovery journey, I mean, we have to reinvent that, it seems, all the time.
Yeah, to try to find what really does bring us joy.
Bring us
joy, right?
Yeah.
You know, so, you know, I have a record player.
So listening to records or listening to bands from beginning to end makes me feel good.
Like, I don't know that it brings joy, though, right? It's trying to find that space that allows your mental exhaustion to...
to subside.
Because mental exhaustion,
yeah,
mental exhaustion rarely, like you wake up, if you're mentally exhausted, you wake up and you're fucking exhausted.
Yeah.
You're just pretty much exhausted all day, right?
You know, you're just completely, yeah.
And so I have been, and it's, another word for it is burnout.
So with building Stonewall and doing the work that I do and working with people, um, I forgot where my joy was.
And for the last three or four years, everything but recovery, other people's recovery, and that sort of stuff became my entire focus.
So even now, it's like, I'm tired.
And I'm working really hard to find that space to rejuvenate.
And I was saying to the person this weekend, and I was like, I used to get my joy meeting people one-on-one for coffee.
But that's my life now.
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