**What if your heart was designed to experience God—not just know about Him?**
Brandon welcomes certified Heart Physics coach Jennifer Johnson back to Unrefined for a practical conversation about moving from fear to faith and from simply knowing biblical truth intellectually to actually believing and living from it in the heart. Jennifer shares personal stories involving fear, relationships, forgiveness, family struggles, healing, and the hidden beliefs that can quietly shape our reactions and circumstances. Together they explore how repeated thoughts and emotions persuade the heart, why circumstances often expose what we genuinely believe, and how renewing the mind becomes an intentional process of gathering new evidence around the truth of God’s Word. They also unpack Dr. Jim Richards’ Heart Physics approach, including Essential Heart Physics, relaxation, meditation, the “secret place,” community, and learning to encounter God at the heart level. The central challenge is simple but profound: **we are always persuading our hearts of something—so what are we persuading them to believe?**
Monday Meditation with Jennifer on zoom (free) **@11am CST Monday's**
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Timestamps
**00:00:04** – How Do You Persuade Your Heart?
**00:00:41** – Welcome Back Jennifer Johnson
**00:02:00** – From Fear to Faith
**00:05:20** – Building an Illusion & Gathering Evidence
**00:07:40** – How Thoughts Become Heart Beliefs
**00:10:03** – Forgiveness: Head Knowledge vs. Heart Knowledge
**00:12:21** – Sending Away the Pain
**00:14:42** – When “Fear Not” Becomes Real
**00:17:03** – Trusting God With Your Children
**00:19:15** – When God Exposes What the Heart Really Believes
**00:21:38** – Getting Real With God Without Shame
**00:24:05** – Brandon’s Journey Out of Religiosity
**00:26:17** – What Does It Mean to Persuade Your Heart?
**00:28:44** – How One Thought Becomes a Train of Thoughts
**00:31:07** – Religious Worrying & Collecting Evidence Against God
**00:33:10** – Mental Assent vs. Genuine Heart Belief
**00:35:24** – Healing, Pain & “Help My Unbelief”
**00:37:49** – Renewing the Mind Thought by Thought
**00:40:06** – Transformation Takes Effort
**00:42:30** – Secondary Gain & Hidden Heart Beliefs
**00:44:53** – You’re Always Persuading Your Heart
**00:47:16** – When Your First Reaction Begins to Change
**00:48:00** – What Is Heart Physics?
**00:49:26** – Essential Heart Physics & Heart Work
**00:51:44** – Why Essential Heart Physics Comes First
**00:54:03** – The Secret Place & Experiencing God
**00:56:06** – Jennifer’s Final Challenge & Prayer