Sep 28, 2026 · 29 min · 11 segments
The opening episode features Audrey Tang in an inspiring conversation on how digital technology can empower people, bridge divides and renew democracy. Moving from fragmentation to common ground, it…
Therese MurphyHost
I know that you believe digital technology can empower people, bridge divides, and renew democracy.

And I imagine that our listeners will be very interested in them, probably intrigued by them.

So, Audrey, tell us why you believe technology can renew democracy and empower people.
Well, when people imagine technology meeting politics, usually we picture the worst of it.
Immediately, people think about the echo chamber, the outrage that keeps us doom-scrolling, the platform that profits when we are at our angriest.
But I have come to believe that this high PPM, polarization per minute, toxic environment, is a choice in design.
Drivers furious, passengers divided, the government under tremendous pressure to simply ban ride-sharing.
But instead of staging a debate where people shouted at each other, we opened a conversation on an open-source tool called Polis.
You could only write your own short statement or agree and disagree with what others wrote.
About 900 people cast some 30,000 votes, with nearly 2,000 more joining the live sessions.
We drew a map together, and we found the sentences that the people in completely different camps, drivers, passengers, engineers, all agree on.
And starting with passenger safety, and surge pricing without undercutting meters, and civil servants copied those points of agreement straight into regulation.

I know that you believe digital technology can empower people, bridge divides, and renew democracy.

And I imagine that our listeners will be very interested in them, probably intrigued by them.

So, Audrey, tell us why you believe technology can renew democracy and empower people.
Well, when people imagine technology meeting politics, usually we picture the worst of it.
Immediately, people think about the echo chamber, the outrage that keeps us doom-scrolling, the platform that profits when we are at our angriest.
But I have come to believe that this high PPM, polarization per minute, toxic environment, is a choice in design.
Drivers furious, passengers divided, the government under tremendous pressure to simply ban ride-sharing.
But instead of staging a debate where people shouted at each other, we opened a conversation on an open-source tool called Polis.
You could only write your own short statement or agree and disagree with what others wrote.
About 900 people cast some 30,000 votes, with nearly 2,000 more joining the live sessions.
We drew a map together, and we found the sentences that the people in completely different camps, drivers, passengers, engineers, all agree on.
And starting with passenger safety, and surge pricing without undercutting meters, and civil servants copied those points of agreement straight into regulation.
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