Jul 24, 2026 · 55 min · 9 segments
What do teens really need to grow into confident, capable adults? In this episode, I sit down with two remarkable young advocates—Rona Majumder and Faris Smith—to explore why today's teens are asking…
Ned JohnsonHost
Ferris SmithGuest
Rona MajumderGuest
So let's kick this off because some people may not have a clear idea of what third spaces are.

To the degree that you guys think about this in your own heads or talk about this with old people like me trying to advocate for, how would you describe third spaces, at least from the teenage perspective?

I would say a third space is Well, of course, by definition, it's outside of school.

And for me, a third space, I think, is just a place where I can connect with my friends and I don't really have any obligations to anybody.

So you're not in that space to check a box, to make what your teachers want or parents want or coaches want.

To me, like the success of a third space is the lack of hierarchies and kind of there's no, like you said, obligations.

You're able to just coexist with people your age without feeling pressured into anything or feeling like you have to be there.

When I was your age, and I'm, of course, 115 years old now, so it's been a while.

What we today think of as extracurricular activities, we thought about them the same way then.

It seems to me that a lot of the outlets that kids might have, that teens might have outside of school and home are more and more populated by, well, to your words, Rona, hierarchy, so that there's almost always some other adult involved, that we don't really allow, you know, teen-run sports teams or teen-run robotics teams or debate teams, that everything, everybody needs to have an advisor or a manager or boss or someone who's somehow in charge there.

Yeah, I feel like it's been increasing kind of the adult presence in teen activities.

Like even if they try and create an event that feels like it's teen driven, there will be adults kind of in the corner or watching over, making sure you don't get into trouble, which it's valid for them not to want us to get into trouble.

But I feel like that making mistakes is kind of part of what builds character.

So let's kick this off because some people may not have a clear idea of what third spaces are.

To the degree that you guys think about this in your own heads or talk about this with old people like me trying to advocate for, how would you describe third spaces, at least from the teenage perspective?

I would say a third space is Well, of course, by definition, it's outside of school.

And for me, a third space, I think, is just a place where I can connect with my friends and I don't really have any obligations to anybody.

So you're not in that space to check a box, to make what your teachers want or parents want or coaches want.

To me, like the success of a third space is the lack of hierarchies and kind of there's no, like you said, obligations.

You're able to just coexist with people your age without feeling pressured into anything or feeling like you have to be there.

When I was your age, and I'm, of course, 115 years old now, so it's been a while.

What we today think of as extracurricular activities, we thought about them the same way then.

It seems to me that a lot of the outlets that kids might have, that teens might have outside of school and home are more and more populated by, well, to your words, Rona, hierarchy, so that there's almost always some other adult involved, that we don't really allow, you know, teen-run sports teams or teen-run robotics teams or debate teams, that everything, everybody needs to have an advisor or a manager or boss or someone who's somehow in charge there.

Yeah, I feel like it's been increasing kind of the adult presence in teen activities.

Like even if they try and create an event that feels like it's teen driven, there will be adults kind of in the corner or watching over, making sure you don't get into trouble, which it's valid for them not to want us to get into trouble.

But I feel like that making mistakes is kind of part of what builds character.
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