Jun 15, 2026 · 46 min · 16 segments
Permaculture designer Cecilia Macaulay joins host Leisa Reichelt for a surprising but genuinely practical conversation about how the design of our home environments can either add to or reduce the…
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Cecilia McCauleyGuestLisa ReicheltHost[screen whooshes] Cecilia McCauley, I wanna welcome you to our School Can't podcast.
Cecilia, to get us started, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you've come to do the work that you do today?

I have such an unusual route, which is probably heartwarming for parents whose own children are gonna have an unusual route in their careers.

I've been a permaculture designer for 34 years, and I picked well because it has become more and more interesting every year of my life.

I started out making ecosystems for edible gardens, turning boring, barren, dead land into something productive and alluring for whoever owns it so they wanna go out and pick things.

But Lisa, bit by bit, my focus changed from outside people's gardens to inside their homes.

One is all my life, my main hobby has been managing myself and my own unruly brain and finding ways to make me enjoy life more and be more reliable and more enjoyable for all the people around me as I make my permaculture paradise.

And every year, I was learning ways to make my mind a better friend to myself.

Neurodiversity wasn't a thing then, and I didn't know that I'm not the only one, and now I do.

So one reason I got interested in using permaculture inside my house was scaffolding for my own mind and inside other people's houses because as I traveled, I was not staying in hotels.

I was being guest of the most generous, beautiful, creative, interesting people I came across who hosted me as I ran these workshops, who almost always had a home life in splendid disarray.

But bit by bit, I fixed it with them, and they couldn't believe it because I used permaculture.

The permaculture I was teaching in their gardens, I used the exact same design patterns in their home.

No forcing, um, generativity, finding visible resources, use the power of community, turn compacted areas where nothing relates into areas where all the objects are friends of each other and they're working as a team, like in the garden, like in our personal lives.

So now I'm on a mission not to save the world or stop global warming, but to make home a place that's friendly to our nervous systems.
[screen whooshes] Cecilia McCauley, I wanna welcome you to our School Can't podcast.
Cecilia, to get us started, can you tell us a little bit about yourself and how you've come to do the work that you do today?

I have such an unusual route, which is probably heartwarming for parents whose own children are gonna have an unusual route in their careers.

I've been a permaculture designer for 34 years, and I picked well because it has become more and more interesting every year of my life.

I started out making ecosystems for edible gardens, turning boring, barren, dead land into something productive and alluring for whoever owns it so they wanna go out and pick things.

But Lisa, bit by bit, my focus changed from outside people's gardens to inside their homes.

One is all my life, my main hobby has been managing myself and my own unruly brain and finding ways to make me enjoy life more and be more reliable and more enjoyable for all the people around me as I make my permaculture paradise.

And every year, I was learning ways to make my mind a better friend to myself.

Neurodiversity wasn't a thing then, and I didn't know that I'm not the only one, and now I do.

So one reason I got interested in using permaculture inside my house was scaffolding for my own mind and inside other people's houses because as I traveled, I was not staying in hotels.

I was being guest of the most generous, beautiful, creative, interesting people I came across who hosted me as I ran these workshops, who almost always had a home life in splendid disarray.

But bit by bit, I fixed it with them, and they couldn't believe it because I used permaculture.

The permaculture I was teaching in their gardens, I used the exact same design patterns in their home.

No forcing, um, generativity, finding visible resources, use the power of community, turn compacted areas where nothing relates into areas where all the objects are friends of each other and they're working as a team, like in the garden, like in our personal lives.

So now I'm on a mission not to save the world or stop global warming, but to make home a place that's friendly to our nervous systems.
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