The Right to Ordinary with Inclusion Ireland
Sep 7, 2026 · 36 min · 10 segments
Welcome to The Right to Ordinary, an Inclusion Ireland podcast. In this episode, host Derval McDonagh, CEO of Inclusion Ireland, turns to housing – the right to a home of your own, and why this most…
Paul AlfordGuest
Derval McDonaghHost
Fiachra O'ConnorGuest
I find it hard to call it a history as it's still present and unfolding of the segregation and isolation of disabled people and their families.

If we grew up in a time where large institutions existed, then that kind of thinking seeps into our mindset.

It's that firmly held belief that institutions have the answers rather than people, communities, and that somehow there are groups of people that need to be separate in some way and warrant special treatment.

And if we don't grapple with this story, we risk repeating patterns of segregation and isolation.

We shut down large institutional settings and psychiatric institutions, but we have 1,300 people under the age of 65 who have disabilities living in nursing homes.

We decongregate and deinstitutionalize, but there are people living with elderly families who, when they pass away, are taken away to live in care, far away from connection, family, community, with very little choice.

So with all of this in mind, I am so pleased today to welcome Paul Alford to the podcast.

What can I say about Paul? He's an absolute legend in the disability rights movement.

He's worked for over 20 years at Inclusion Ireland, our longest standing staff member.

He goes around the country and speaks to self advocates, inspiring them through the stories of his life.

his connection to his community and his story of moving out from a large institution and into a home of his own.

I find it hard to call it a history as it's still present and unfolding of the segregation and isolation of disabled people and their families.

If we grew up in a time where large institutions existed, then that kind of thinking seeps into our mindset.

It's that firmly held belief that institutions have the answers rather than people, communities, and that somehow there are groups of people that need to be separate in some way and warrant special treatment.

And if we don't grapple with this story, we risk repeating patterns of segregation and isolation.

We shut down large institutional settings and psychiatric institutions, but we have 1,300 people under the age of 65 who have disabilities living in nursing homes.

We decongregate and deinstitutionalize, but there are people living with elderly families who, when they pass away, are taken away to live in care, far away from connection, family, community, with very little choice.

So with all of this in mind, I am so pleased today to welcome Paul Alford to the podcast.

What can I say about Paul? He's an absolute legend in the disability rights movement.

He's worked for over 20 years at Inclusion Ireland, our longest standing staff member.

He goes around the country and speaks to self advocates, inspiring them through the stories of his life.

his connection to his community and his story of moving out from a large institution and into a home of his own.
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