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There were two planes and two crews sent, and I was on the first batch to arrive in October 2014.

None of us had, as far as I'm aware, maybe one or two on the two crews, had ever seen, you know, gunfire, especially at night.

And so you have all these training sessions where you're talking about how to announce to the crew that you've, you're under fire and what kind of your maneuvers might be to, to deal with that.

But first of all, we're Air Force assets and we, we haven't really seen that type of thing before.

And so you'd see arcane tracer fire from various types of weaponry on the ground, and it looked like it was coming up on an angle and then coming back down.

You're sitting there in confusion looking out the window like, "Was that shot at me? Was that shot at someone else? Is that just surface-to-surface fire?" And like, "Bullets normally do that.

Does artillery do that? Can you have artillery tracers?" And these are kind of like laughable questions if somebody's like aware of this stuff.

But when you're just like a, a baby pilot looking out the window at this stuff, you don't know.

And so even if you are being shot at or if you're not, you might not necessarily recognize it correctly.

Like I remember times, you know, getting surface-to-air fire reports and they, some of them would be canceled later saying, "Oh, like that was a flare." You know, because you're just seeing light at night and you don't know if it's a threat or not.

So it just kind of makes the situation confusing and challenging, I think, for most of us.


It was a little easier if you were like seeing something happen directly through your infrared camera and you, you know, you see someone looking at you, then you know that they're looking at you.


There were two planes and two crews sent, and I was on the first batch to arrive in October 2014.

None of us had, as far as I'm aware, maybe one or two on the two crews, had ever seen, you know, gunfire, especially at night.

And so you have all these training sessions where you're talking about how to announce to the crew that you've, you're under fire and what kind of your maneuvers might be to, to deal with that.

But first of all, we're Air Force assets and we, we haven't really seen that type of thing before.

And so you'd see arcane tracer fire from various types of weaponry on the ground, and it looked like it was coming up on an angle and then coming back down.

You're sitting there in confusion looking out the window like, "Was that shot at me? Was that shot at someone else? Is that just surface-to-surface fire?" And like, "Bullets normally do that.

Does artillery do that? Can you have artillery tracers?" And these are kind of like laughable questions if somebody's like aware of this stuff.

But when you're just like a, a baby pilot looking out the window at this stuff, you don't know.

And so even if you are being shot at or if you're not, you might not necessarily recognize it correctly.

Like I remember times, you know, getting surface-to-air fire reports and they, some of them would be canceled later saying, "Oh, like that was a flare." You know, because you're just seeing light at night and you don't know if it's a threat or not.

So it just kind of makes the situation confusing and challenging, I think, for most of us.


It was a little easier if you were like seeing something happen directly through your infrared camera and you, you know, you see someone looking at you, then you know that they're looking at you.

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